i have just heard this album and i thought it was much better than the first one which i thought was not so good. i dont know why people dont like this group all becuase of all the things tripp eisen had to say about him. i think it has nothin to do what people say it is all about what the music is all about.so i would have to give this review a 4 star for him not listening to other crap that has been going on.